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Hope_eternal

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Dear @Hope_eternal -- I've been really struck by this (loving) thread you started for your son, and feel I can truly relate to what your son is going through. The reason being my own health challenges started for me at a similar age as your son.

I was a 15-year old when I suffered a serious head injury/whiplash, which eventually set the stage for my ME/CFS. In many ways during my teens and twenties, I felt "lost" as I struggled to deal with chronic fatigue, and the confusion caused by an inability to function in the manner I had been used to up to that point.

At the age of 27, I came upon a "spiritual mantra" that turned out to be a catalyst for me in coming to terms with the challenges I was facing, and giving me the courage and inspiration to diligently seek answers for myself. What was interesting is that I came upon the mantra even though I didn't consider myself particularly religious or spiritual (turns out that doesn't matter).

Anyway, it was a turning point in my life, and couldn't help but wonder as I hear you describe what your son is going through whether he might be interested in knowing about this mantra. I have a link in my signature to a 3-min. video on this. I also just came across a 20-minute video which describes in much more depth what the Song of HU is, and what it can do for a person.

I don't know whether or not your son would be interested in this, but you might. You might also find it interesting, as it's primarily about love, and would seem to fit your loving nature. Below is a link to the 20-minute video. -- All the Best to you, your son, and your family as you traverse these challenging times.

HU: Experience the Sound of Soul
Hi @Wayne

Thank you for your kind message. I’ve never heard of the HU. I appreciate you sharing this. In my 20s I did try an OM chant/meditation. I was really into Dr Wayne Dyer in those days and he had a small book on the practice of OM. I do recall feeling peaceful while doing the meditation but don’t recall much more than that but I probably didn’t stick with it long enough as with most things I start up. I’m sorry to hear about your head injury and then the ensuing ME issues that came from that at such a young age, That must have been really difficult. I’m glad you have found a spiritual practice that helps you navigate the challenges of the illness. I feel it’s so
Important to have things in place that bring you peace in life especially when going through difficult challenges. I know my spirituality has gotten me through many dark times. I hope my son will one day find a spiritual connection. Right now he is not interested but I know life has a way of turning us around. Maybe he will stumble upon it as well one of these days. I feel like anytime I try and encourage him to seek in a spiritual nature he is very resistant. He’s always been very analytical and he excels in science and math so that may be part of it. I appreciate you reaching out . Wishing you much health and peace.
 

maddietod

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I'm moderate, not quite housebound, but I gave up showers over a year ago. When I pee in the morning I brush my teeth into the sink that's right there, while the water gets hot. I have a washcloth hanging off the sink (to dry overnight) and I wipe down my face, armpits, and feet. I flush the toilet, then use a cup to pour water over and hand scrub genitals. I only use soap occasionally. I dry off with a lightweight kitchen towel, still sitting on the toilet.

I wash my hair in the kitchen sink.

I don't sweat much, but even so I do a full body wipe down with my washcloth every week or two. No soap. Why do we use so much soap?
 

Hope_eternal

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I'm moderate, not quite housebound, but I gave up showers over a year ago. When I pee in the morning I brush my teeth into the sink that's right there, while the water gets hot. I have a washcloth hanging off the sink (to dry overnight) and I wipe down my face, armpits, and feet. I flush the toilet, then use a cup to pour water over and hand scrub genitals. I only use soap occasionally. I dry off with a lightweight kitchen towel, still sitting on the toilet.

I wash my hair in the kitchen sink.

I don't sweat much, but even so I do a full body wipe down with my washcloth every week or two. No soap. Why do we use so much soap?
Thank you for your reply. Unfortunately I don’t think he has it in him to do what you’re doing. I hope one day he will get there. He can barely make it to the bathroom daily for the necessary function of eliminating :/ He also sweats quite a bit because on top of everything else he has hyperhydrosis 🤪 My boy just hit the lottery in health matters. 😩 yah soap can be pretty harsh but for some reason I don’t feel all that clean with out it. I bet there are natural cleansers that would work very nicely, like some lemon with some olive oil.
 

maddietod

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Thank you for your reply. Unfortunately I don’t think he has it in him to do what you’re doing. I hope one day he will get there. He can barely make it to the bathroom daily for the necessary function of eliminating :/ He also sweats quite a bit because on top of everything else he has hyperhydrosis 🤪 My boy just hit the lottery in health matters. 😩 yah soap can be pretty harsh but for some reason I don’t feel all that clean with out it. I bet there are natural cleansers that would work very nicely, like some lemon with some olive oil.
Oh, sorry, my point wasn't that you should copy my plan. It was more an illustration about how careful I am about where I use my energy, even as a moderate.

But also, you mention that your son does take baths sometimes, which from my POV is an enormous energy drain. Lots of use of arms and legs, and how do you even easily get in and out of a bathtub?
 

Hope_eternal

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Oh, sorry, my point wasn't that you should copy my plan. It was more an illustration about how careful I am about where I use my energy, even as a moderate.

But also, you mention that your son does take baths sometimes, which from my POV is an enormous energy drain. Lots of use of arms and legs, and how do you even easily get in and out of a bathtub?
Oh no I didn’t take it that way. I love hearing what others do and I’m grateful for you sharing. Idkw he takes baths. I provide wipes and fresh clothes for him by his bedside but he won’t use them. I try not to mother him too much with his care but make suggestions and offer help where I can. It’s a difficult balance. We are very new to this illness and are still fumbling our way to finding what works. He’s got a strong will and he does things his own way. He also hasn’t really took much interest in learning about how to care for himself with this illness. I think he’s overwhelmed or doesn’t want to face it. Not sure. 🤔 so right now I think he feels like he’s given so much up already he may be resisting the inevitable.
 

maddietod

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I'm really glad you're here. You're navigating very difficult territory, and you sound amazingly graceful about it, and accepting, and curious. I loved the idea somewhere above of your son finding same-age people living with this, to communicate with. As you say, acceptance first, then exploration.
 

wabi-sabi

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How well do the sleep and 'body battery' monitors work for you?
They are generally helpful. The main issue is that it is made for healthy people, so it's always encouraging me to do more rather than rest- an impulse I have trouble resisting!

It does take some time to mentally calibrate the body battery to your particular symptoms. I find that combing it with the visible gives me the best read, since they seem to measure slightly different things.

Good points with the garmin body battery:

1) Knowing (approximately) how many hours of sleep I get. I need 10-11 hours to function well. That doesn't happen that often, but I like knowing that some of my symptoms are due to straight up sleep deprivation from the horrible insomnia so many of us suffer. It's reassuring to me to know that if I can just get some proper sleep I will feel (and be) better. This data helps me with realistic hope. Now if I can just figure out how to sleep...

2)A very general idea of with "activities" are restful/restorative and which are not. Lying in bed all day watching youtube isn't restful?! I need to know that, since I spend an awful lot of time doing it. The visible plus is slightly better at this aspect, but once I'd mentally calibrated the body battery to the visible, I could use it better.

3) With time, I have come up with a safe point range on the battery. I charge to 100% overnight with sleep. Sleep is the only thing that really recharges my battery. This is essential to know! Anytime I don't charge to 100% overnight, I am very, very sick and need to take extra care. 100% is my baseline and my baseline is (mostly) bedbound, so don't be distressed if you get a high number and you feel awful. Just identify what your baseline number is.

A good pacing day means that I use 30 points of battery or less. I go over at my peril, or with a planned crash. This is probably something that requires individual calibration by the user. That's where the visible helps, because it automatically calibrates to you, rather than you having to figure out how many battery points you have.

4) It gives me cold, hard data on what makes us all crazy- different activities use different amounts of points on different days. Once I could see the data, this became so much less frustrating. If brushing my teeth uses 10 points on a good day and 20 points on a bad day, I know what to do about it. This is a way of knowing when I am crashed to take extra care. On the hope side, it also shows me how much better I feel when I pace properly. Pacing is hard work and can feel discouraging at times, but when I see it reflected in better data, it gives me hope. It gives me some control over the illness. This is knowledge I can use to control the illness, rather than the illness controlling me! The up and down isn't as random and incomprehensible as it looks!

@Hope_eternal if your son likes gadgets and data I really think some of these apps or wearables that are coming out now would help him. I just love the data and graphs and figuring out how what I do affects the data. In a way, it gamifies disease management.
 

Hope_eternal

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your son likes gadgets and data I really think some of these apps or wearables that are coming out now would help him. I just love the data and graphs and figuring out how what I do affects t
Thank you! I spoke with him last night about it and out comes the debater in him lol oh my sweet boy, he truly needs all the why’s to things. This post is very helpful. I’m going to share it with him today. Thank you very much for outlining how it helps you and how you gauge things with it. It’s extremely helpful information.
 

Hope_eternal

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I'm really glad you're here. You're navigating very difficult territory, and you sound amazingly graceful about it, and accepting, and curious. I loved the idea somewhere above of your son finding same-age people living with this, to communicate with. As you say, acceptance first, then exploration.
It surely has been a huge learning process. I’m so impressed with how you all have preserved through tremendous adversity including adversity from the medical field. Stumbling across this forum has been such a gift for me. I’m very grateful to everyone for sharing their experiences. Sometimes navigating this can be a very lonely scary place…and I’m not even the one experiencing the illness 😩 so I can only imagine how it must be on the illness side of it, Thank you for your kind note.
 

wabi-sabi

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What does this mean?
On the level of raw data, garmin looks at HR, HRV, sleep, and steps. Visible looks at HR, HRV, sleep and your choice of symptoms. It gets really different where they translate the raw data into constructs. There garmin looks at rest, stress, and activity. Visible looks at pace points throughout the day and the morning stability score.

I find that visible is a better general capture of disease since that's what it's meant to do. The garmin is always telling me I have energy left to exercise since it's built to encourage healthy people to exercise more. To use the garmin you have to be able to ignore it telling you to do more and keep an eye on your battery level and make sure it stays in a safe range. The visible pacce points do this for you automatically, telling you when you are close to going overbudget and need to rest or when you are pacing well and likely to stay in energy budget.

The most interesting difference I find is in cognitive or mental effort. The visible is very good at warning you about physical effort, but less good at warnings about cognitive or mental efforts. I found brain work shows up as stress in the body battery, so I use that for mental effort and visible for physical effort.
 

wabi-sabi

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One other thing I thought of- visible allows you to activity track precisely so it will tell you exactly how many points any activity takes. Garmin doesn't do this with the same level of precision. Garmin is built to tell you differences between running a 5K and a 10K. Visible is built to tell you the difference between putting on one sock vs putting on two socks.

In terms if data representation, both give a heartrate graph. The visible graph lets you zoom in on heartrate (because heartrate pacing) on a minute by minute level. The garmin shows you 12 hours of data on the short side of your phone screen. You can't screen rotate or zoom in/out to see the graph better. That makes it much more difficult to interpret the garmin data, and is a major downfall of the app. In fact, other companies have built programs just to extract the data so you can see it in a larger than postage stamp version. The upshot is that while you can learn to use a garmin to manage your pacing it's much harder to learn since that's not the app purpose. I was able to use the garmin much more effectively after comparing it to the visible and mentally calibrating what it was saying. It's just a question of when to look at the forest and when to look at the trees. Being able to see both at once is the most helpful for disease management.
 

wabi-sabi

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So if I want to see trees, I can use visible to note it took 0.2 pace points to put on my compression today. It takes anywhere from 0.1 (good day) to 0.3 (bad day) for this activity. So I need to be careful today.

If I want to see forest, I can use garmin note that it took me 6 hours of sleep to fully charge last night vs 4 hours of sleep to fully charge the night before.

Together these tell me I am heading for PEM and I need to stop playing on PhoenixRising for a while.
 

Atlas

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Some I have expressed to him yet they are not readily accepted by him at this time. He’s always been my intellectual debater. I used to say he’d debate you to death! lol 😝.

Haha, reminds me of myself in some ways and my youth. I was fiercely independent and often enjoyed making arguments just for the sake of it, even if I didn't agree with myself 😂. I moved out of home at 18 and was independent for over a decade but this illness brought me to my knees and here I am in my early 30s being cared for by my Mum. I see this as God teaching me humility. That on my own I am just dust.

But also I used to have a fear of being a burden to others, even in the slightest. That was part of the reason for my fierce independence. So I've had to reconcile myself to allowing people to help me.

It does sound like your son hasn't reached a place where he's ready to process all that has happened yet. I don't blame him as he's young to have this thrown at him and the life he knew fall to pieces. But there is hope, and hopefully with time he can start to see it. The specialist I saw here in NZ (Dr. Ros Vallings) noted from clinical experience that young people are much more likely to make significant improvements or even full/near recovery. But it can take a lot of time. And even with significant disability it's possible to live meaningfully. Our societies are so task oriented and hurried that many of us have forgotten that before we are human doings, we are human beings.


I worry so much about how I’ll be able to continue to care for him. I have been on family leave for the last 4 months but am due to go back next week


What comes to mind is to try to give him as much independence as he is comfortable with within his energy envelope. There is no quick fix so he needs to be prepared for a situation of at least years at more or less his current severity. Dr. Vallings says any gains one can expect to be slowly slowly slowly. Then if gains happen sooner than expected one can be pleasantly surprised. The more dignity and independence you can give him within his ability the better for everyone. I know for me I feel happier the more I'm able to do myself. We make more possible by reducing the energy cost to do it.

For example, my Mum recently goes away for days at a time, and I've been able to manage fine because:

1. Fridge location is only just around the corner from my room. I'm able to roll on my rollie stool to it and collect lunches and dinners. She packs lunches and dinners into microwavable glass bowls with removable lids, and small containers with salad inside. For lunches often have a cold prepped meal such as potato salad or microwave leftovers from a previous night. Sometimes I'm able to semi prepare my own lunch from a boiled egg from the fridge, a plastic microwavable rice punnet, and a small bowl of salad.

2. Microwave is located right next to fridge, and she lays out cutlery and plates, bowls, cups etc on bench next to the microwave so I have everything within arms reach of microwave when she's away. We thought about putting a microwave and mini fridge in my room but so far have been managing without that. Dinners are usually pre cooked by Mum or sometimes others, and only need to be reheated. Have thought about getting some prepackaged healthy weekly meal sets delivered by one of those companies but haven't tried that yet.

3. A chillie bin is placed perpendicular to the fridge and under the microwave so I can reach all three from my rollie stool without moving. The chillie bin is for my use as a bench for eg cutting a chunk of cheese when at the fridge.

4. If necessary I cut down on trips wherever I have any margin elsewhere, such as morning wash up, so that I have the extra energy for these 2 trips a day to the fridge and microwave. The rollie stool has a plate shelf on the bottom so I can put food on it for transfer.

5. My water dispenser has enough for several days on my own without having to refill it myself. It is within arms reach when lying down on bed.

6. She puts a bucket with soapy water under my bedside meal-prep benches for me to put dirty dishes in while she's away. Disposable plates might be another option if she needed to go for a longer duration.

7. These two low benches next to my bed I use as my "dining table". They have everything I use for meals such as a metal food tray which functions as my kitchen bench. There's a box of cutlery on the far side and snack food (bowl of fruit, tuna cans, nuts, peanut butter). I eat lying down but I use this bench for managing my food items and Mum places meals on it when she's here. I can reach everything on these benches from sitting on my bed. I can reach the near side of it when lying down. All I need to do is swivel my legs off the bed and I have this "dining table" to organize food etc. The layout of items is COMPACT enough for everything to be in arms reach, that is critical because if I have to stand up every time to get something it becomes too much for my energy envelope.

8. Tissues right next to my bed provide use as napkins. Basket with changes of clothes for a week next to foot of bed. (I find it doable to roll over on my bed to reach any location next to it). There's also a packet of wet wipes/baby wipes kept there which I sometimes use for a minimal wash up.

9. Breakfast, when away she leaves me an insulated flask of milk on my "dining table", and the bag of cereal also within arms reach. When away she leaves enough bowls next to the cereal for however many days. And the open container of cutlery is right next to that.

We've got it down to her "only" needing to make two trips at every meal while here (one to pick up empty tray from prior meal, one to return food on full tray), and for refilling the refillables on the day when they are low (such as water, snacks, bedside cutlery, tissues). And being able to leave me on my own for 3 days at a time if everything is refilled and meals are ready. It's become a routine and that makes it easier for both of us.


Hope these might give you some ideas.

And definitely take all the help you can get. 💚

If these kinds of things are not lot looking doable for him independently I second wabi-sabi's idea about finding a caregiver to help if you are under a lot of pressure. Take care of your health too!

Much respect and best wishes.

P.S. oh yeah, probably your son has already had enough of recommendations for now, but for a scientifically minded person who doesn't have a lot of energy to read but wants to keep up to date with ME/CFS research on treatments, you can tell him that many fellow patients would recommend healthrising.org as a good place to start. That's because Cort (the blog author) includes a "Gist" section in each article which summarizes the research in just a few bullet sentences. I know many of us find this useful to be able to keep up with what's happening in the field without having to read much.

And you can tell him that we said he is welcome here on PR any time. ;)
 
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Hope_eternal

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One other thing I thought of- visible allows you to activity track precisely so it will tell you exactly how many points any activity takes. Garmin doesn't do this with the same level of precision. Garmin is built to tell you differences between running a 5K and a 10K. Visible is built to tell you the difference between putting on one sock vs putting on two socks.

In terms if data representation, both give a heartrate graph. The visible graph lets you zoom in on heartrate (because heartrate pacing) on a minute by minute level. The garmin shows you 12 hours of data on the short side of your phone screen. You can't screen rotate or zoom in/out to see the graph better. That makes it much more difficult to interpret the garmin data, and is a major downfall of the app. In fact, other companies have built programs just to extract the data so you can see it in a larger than postage stamp version. The upshot is that while you can learn to use a garmin to manage your pacing it's much harder to learn since that's not the app purpose. I was able to use the garmin much more effectively after comparing it to the visible and mentally calibrating what it was saying. It's just a question of when to look at the forest and when to look at the trees. Being able to see both at once is the most helpful for disease management.
You really do have this down pat for yourself 🤩 what a great system to help you manage your day to day activity. It’s genius, truly. It sounds like it gives you so much power and helps you choose the most important tasks knowing your energy levels. I’m so impressed with your method! Thank you so much for the very nice write ups you have done explaining things in such detail. Wow I’m just so touched. It makes me tear up how much everyone wants to help. You all are wonderful. What a difference you are making in our lives. I didn’t get a chance to share with him your posts yesterday but I plan to today, Thank you so very much!
 

Hope_eternal

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Haha, reminds me of myself in some ways and my youth. I was fiercely independent and often enjoyed making arguments just for the sake of it, even if I didn't agree with myself 😂. I moved out of home at 18 and was independent for over a decade but this illness brought me to my knees and here I am in my early 30s being cared for by my Mum. I see this as God teaching me humility. That on my own I am just dust.

But also I used to have a fear of being a burden to others, even in the slightest. That was part of the reason for my fierce independence. So I've had to reconcile myself to allowing people to help me.

It does sound like your son hasn't reached a place where he's ready to process all that has happened yet. I don't blame him as he's young to have this thrown at him and the life he knew fall to pieces. But there is hope, and hopefully with time he can start to see it. The specialist I saw here in NZ (Dr. Ros Vallings) noted from clinical experience that young people are much more likely to make significant improvements or even full/near recovery. But it can take a lot of time. And even with significant disability it's possible to live meaningfully. Our societies are so task oriented and hurried that many of us have forgotten that before we are human doings, we are human beings.





What comes to mind is to try to give him as much independence as he is comfortable with within his energy envelope. There is no quick fix so he needs to be prepared for a situation of at least years at more or less his current severity. Dr. Vallings says any gains one can expect to be slowly slowly slowly. Then if gains happen sooner than expected one can be pleasantly surprised. The more dignity and independence you can give him within his ability the better for everyone. I know for me I feel happier the more I'm able to do myself. We make more possible by reducing the energy cost to do it.

For example, my Mum recently goes away for days at a time, and I've been able to manage fine because:

1. Fridge location is only just around the corner from my room. I'm able to roll on my rollie stool to it and collect lunches and dinners. She packs lunches and dinners into microwavable glass bowls with removable lids, and small containers with salad inside. For lunches often have a cold prepped meal such as potato salad or microwave leftovers from a previous night. Sometimes I'm able to semi prepare my own lunch from a boiled egg from the fridge, a plastic microwavable rice punnet, and a small bowl of salad.

2. Microwave is located right next to fridge, and she lays out cutlery and plates, bowls, cups etc on bench next to the microwave so I have everything within arms reach of microwave when she's away. We thought about putting a microwave and mini fridge in my room but so far have been managing without that. Dinners are usually pre cooked by Mum or sometimes others, and only need to be reheated. Have thought about getting some prepackaged healthy weekly meal sets delivered by one of those companies but haven't tried that yet.

3. A chillie bin is placed perpendicular to the fridge and under the microwave so I can reach all three from my rollie stool without moving. The chillie bin is for my use as a bench for eg cutting a chunk of cheese when at the fridge.

4. If necessary I cut down on trips wherever I have any margin elsewhere, such as morning wash up, so that I have the extra energy for these 2 trips a day to the fridge and microwave. The rollie stool has a plate shelf on the bottom so I can put food on it for transfer.

5. My water dispenser has enough for several days on my own without having to refill it myself. It is within arms reach when lying down on bed.

6. She puts a bucket with soapy water under my bedside meal-prep benches for me to put dirty dishes in while she's away. Disposable plates might be another option if she needed to go for a longer duration.

7. These two low benches next to my bed I use as my "dining table". They have everything I use for meals such as a metal food tray which functions as my kitchen bench. There's a box of cutlery on the far side and snack food (bowl of fruit, tuna cans, nuts, peanut butter). I eat lying down but I use this bench for managing my food items and Mum places meals on it when she's here. I can reach everything on these benches from sitting on my bed. I can reach the near side of it when lying down. All I need to do is swivel my legs off the bed and I have this "dining table" to organize food etc. The layout of items is COMPACT enough for everything to be in arms reach, that is critical because if I have to stand up every time to get something it becomes too much for my energy envelope.

8. Tissues right next to my bed provide use as napkins. Basket with changes of clothes for a week next to foot of bed. (I find it doable to roll over on my bed to reach any location next to it). There's also a packet of wet wipes/baby wipes kept there which I sometimes use for a minimal wash up.

9. Breakfast, when away she leaves me an insulated flask of milk on my "dining table", and the bag of cereal also within arms reach. When away she leaves enough bowls next to the cereal for however many days. And the open container of cutlery is right next to that.

We've got it down to her "only" needing to make two trips at every meal while here (one to pick up empty tray from prior meal, one to return food on full tray), and for refilling the refillables on the day when they are low (such as water, snacks, bedside cutlery, tissues). And being able to leave me on my own for 3 days at a time if everything is refilled and meals are ready. It's become a routine and that makes it easier for both of us.


Hope these might give you some ideas.

And definitely take all the help you can get. 💚

If these kinds of things are not lot looking doable for him independently I second wabi-sabi's idea about finding a caregiver to help if you are under a lot of pressure. Take care of your health too!

Much respect and best wishes.

P.S. oh yeah, probably your son has already had enough of recommendations for now, but for a scientifically minded person who doesn't have a lot of energy to read but wants to keep up to date with ME/CFS research on treatments, you can tell him that many fellow patients would recommend healthrising.org as a good place to start. That's because Cort (the blog author) includes a "Gist" section in each article which summarizes the research in just a few bullet sentences. I know many of us find this useful to be able to keep up with what's happening in the field without having to read much.

And you can tell him that we said he is welcome here on PR any time. ;)
Gosh another post making me tear up❤️‍🩹 I love that you provided this for us. How nice of you to send me all these tips and recommendations. You and your mom have a wonderful system. I’m definitely going to implement these! I don’t go away ever for more than a couple hrs unless my daughter is home to help. As a caretaker I have this awful fear of what if I’m no longer here? What will happen to him. I manage both his illnesses and care for him 😭 omg I worry so much. I’ve been creating a document that has all his care information and question I like to ask when starting new meds etc, I’m also starting to look into disability and caretaker options should we need it. Trying to have a one stop shop document for all things only known to me. Once I complete it, I’ll forward it to all my family members and my son. So morbid but I hate thinking no one will know what to do without me. My son doesn’t even know everything I know. I’ve been slowly trying to teach him though because he needs to know who to call and what each pill he is taking is for. I’m telling you he really doesn’t take any interest so it’s a challenge. Thank you for the healthrising link. I’ll let him know about it. I hope he will one day stop in and meet you all here. You are a great bunch!
 
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I know I'm a bit late to this thread (I was searching for dental hygiene advice) but your situation really reminds me of my situation caring for my partner. We're both 27 so even though we can't exactly say we're kids anymore, it still is so frightening to be dealing with this when we're still young and finding our feet. I've also had to go back to work- I used most of my annual leave and am still using it to only work half days, but am scared that working full time won't work. I'd love to quit but we need my income, and carers allowance in our country won't be enough to live on. I've been considering hiring a professional carer too, but am worried about the stress of having a stranger looking after them- both for me and my partner. I have been asking on local Facebook groups for recommendations which I can suggest for you if you can find a local ME support group!

I also share your difficulty with your son being prone to debates- it's always good to be skeptical but does mean you have to make sure you've done your research to back up a point! I know I've had to do so much research to make sure I can back up any suggestions I bring my partner. I know you mentioned your son doesn't like to think about his illness, but I wonder if it's less to do with denial or a reluctance, but more the stress of having to figure things out himself, especially if he's less trusting of information, even well researched. My partner found it so tiring at the beginning to have to do so much research and planning alone. I think if you can keep providing that for your son, keep bringing him ideas and suggestions, it will take a lot of pressure and stress off him to have to manage his own illness.

Something else you said really stuck with me, and I'm sure will strike a chord with other carers here: "if only love could heal". I really feel this, and despite giving my partner everything I can, I still find myself apologising that I can't make them better. Just remember, even if it feels like nothing is working, everything you do is preventing things from being much worse. I can recommend having a look at Galen Warden's blog/tiktok. She's a mum like you caring for her son. He has been severe for many years, which is scary to think about, but she does have some great advice for carers.

Some other advice I can give from my trial and error over the last month or so of them needing my full time care:
- buy a urinal bottle from a care shop, they're inexpensive, easy to use lying down, can be capped, and saving those extra trips to the bathroom will help with conserving energy
- I've been using the app Chronic Insights for tracking symptoms, medication, meals, sleep. It's really useful, and can help you see progress or improvements over time your son might not notice. Even if he doesn't want to use it, you can if he's able to roughly tell you how bad certain symptoms are, it's really customisable so can be as simple or complex as you want
- if your son is finding it hard to fully disconnect from distractions like being on his laptop, maybe encourage switching activities every half an hour to have better cognitive rest. Half an hour of typing, then half an hour of listening to a podcast with eyes closed
- I also made a post about good purchases to help with sensory sensitivities like light and noise. Definitely recommend he wears sunglasses or blue light filtering glasses while he's looking at screens as that can be a real strain, especially if it's for long periods.

I hope you can find some rest and peace yourself too. I really know how hard this is, but hang on to whatever hope you can find to keep yourself strong. You're not alone ❤️
 

Hope_eternal

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We're both 27 so even though we can't exactly say we're kids anymore, it still is so frightening to be dealing with this when we're still young and finding our feet.
Oh gosh my heart goes out to you. It’s a difficult place to be in for both of you. You’re amazing for supporting your partner and caring for their needs. I understand the stress of trying to hold a job too. I recently went back after having 4 months family leave. Right now I have help from my daughter so it makes things less difficult for the time being. I can’t stop working because I hold the insurance. I’m so sorry you are having to endure such challenges and at such a young age. Do either of you have family or close friends that can offer some assistance now and then?
it's always good to be skeptical but does mean you have to make sure you've done your research to back up a point! I know I've had to do so much research to make sure I can back up any suggestions I bring my partner. I know you mentioned your son doesn't like to think about his illness, but I wonder if it's less to do with denial or a reluctance, but more the stress of having to figure things out himself,
Well my son surely has a heavy dose of skepticism 🤪. I do as well, I am very cautious about trying things until I feel convinced. So I can understand his needing to feel convinced before buying into it. I’ll just have to get better at keeping notes in my findings so I can answe the hard questions 😩. I think you may be right, the stress in trying to figure things out would be overwhelming. I don’t mind at all researching. I need to get better about the back up part lol
 

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Some other advice I can give from my trial and error over the last month or so of them needing my full time care:
- buy a urinal bottle from a care shop, they're inexpensive, easy to use lying down, can be capped, and saving those extra trips to the bathroom will help with conserving energy
- I've been using the app Chronic Insights for tracking symptoms, medication, meals, sleep. It's really useful, and can help you see progress or improvements over time your son might not notice. Even if he doesn't want to use it, you can if he's able to roughly tell you how bad certain symptoms are, it's really customisable so can be as simple or complex as you want
- if your son is finding it hard to fully disconnect from distractions like being on his laptop, maybe encourage switching activities every half an hour to have better cognitive rest. Half an hour of typing, then half an hour of listening to a podcast with eyes closed
- I also made a post about good purchases to help with sensory sensitivities like light and noise. Definitely recommend he wears sunglasses or blue light filtering glasses while he's looking at screens as that can be a real strain, especially if it's for long periods.
These are wonderful tips and suggestions!I will look into the app you suggested. Sounds like a very useful tool. Thank you. I’ve tried to encourage him to disconnect and use glasses but…he protests. I try not to badger him too much about things. I suggest things and hope he hears it.

Thank you so much for your kind note. I hope you are finding time to rest and relax as well. Worry and stress can take its toll. Wishing you all the best as you navigate this complex illness❤️‍🩹